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USDA Admits NAIS Will Put Small Farmers Out of Business
USDA Admits National Animal Identification System (NAIS) Will Put Small Farmers Out of Business
FALLS CHURCH, Va. - The Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Foundation said today that a cost/benefit study commissioned by United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) proves that the costs for small farmers to implement the National Animal Identification System (NAIS) could put many of them out of business. "Most animal health problems are the result of the high-density CAFOs that concentrate thousands of animals in one location, while food safety problems begin at the slaughterhouse where NAIS traceability ends" "The government's own numbers show that a small farmer will pay at least twice and in some cases nearly three times the costs per animal to participate in NAIS as will the operators of the large confined animal feeding operations (CAFO)," said acting Fund president Pete Kennedy. The costs for animal identification quoted in the study called "The Benefit-Cost Analysis of the National Animal Identification System," which was released April 29, range from $2.48 per animal for CAFOs with more than 5,000 cattle to $7.17 per animal for producers with less than 50 and who do not currently tag their cattle. "Not only does the difference illustrate how unfair NAIS will be," Kennedy says, "we think the numbers themselves are substantially underestimated, which will further burden the small farmers to the point of making their way of life untenable." Kennedy also pointed to the study's unreasonably low estimate of what it would cost a small farmer to hire someone to read the tags since many of them will not be able to afford to purchase the thousand-dollar-plus electronic tag reading equipment. "The government's time and labor costs for custom tag reading for animal identification are not grounded in reality," Kennedy said. "For instance, the study estimates that a small farmer could hire a third party to travel to his farm to do it for only $1.87 per animal. That estimate seems ridiculously low, especially for farms and ranches located in remote areas." Fund board member Taaron G. Meikle said that the unrealistic and misleading cost assumptions together with USDA's own statement about the major benefits of NAIS are further evidence that the animal identification program is being implemented to benefit CAFOs at the expense of the small farmer. Meikle pointed to a fact sheet published by the USDA's Animal & Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) Veterinary Services that lists "key points" from the study. "The first one speaks to the timely recovery of export markets after a disease outbreak and the second says that traceability is necessary to participate in the global marketplace," she said. "Neither of these matter to a small farmer who sells his beef to his neighbors on his farm or at a farmers' market." Meikle reiterated the Fund's position that implementing NAIS will do little if anything to improve animal health or food safety in the United States. "Most animal health problems are the result of the high-density CAFOs that concentrate thousands of animals in one location, while food safety problems begin at the slaughterhouse where NAIS traceability ends," she said. "By implementing NAIS-which requires small farmers and ranchers to track each animal individually while allowing CAFOs to track all animals under one blanket Group Identification Number-the USDA would be rewarding factory farms whose practices encourage disease while crippling small farms and the local food movement in the name of increased international sales." Meikle also noted that the Fund intends to have a presence at the upcoming listening tour on NAIS that the USDA plans to conduct in seven cities beginning May 15. "The USDA is positioning these hearings as a forum to discuss 'stakeholder concerns' about NAIS, when the hearings should be focused on whether or not it is needed at all, and we intend to make sure the voices of small farmers are heard." The Fund last year filed suit in the U.S. District Court - District of Columbia against the USDA and the Michigan Department of Agriculture (MDA) to stop the implementation of NAIS. The MDA has implemented the first two stages of NAIS - property registration and animal identification - for all cattle and farmers across the state under the guise of its bovine tuberculosis disease control program. MDA's implementation of the first two steps of NAIS was required in exchange for a grant of money from the USDA. The Fund's suit asks the court to issue an injunction to stop the implementation of NAIS at both the State and Federal levels by any State or Federal agency. If successful, the suit would halt the program nationwide. About The Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund: The Fund defends the rights and broadens the freedoms of sustainable farmers, and protects consumer access to local, nutrient-dense foods. Concerned citizens can support the Fund by joining at www.farmtoconsumer.org or by contacting the Fund at 703-208-FARM (3276). The Fund's sister organization, the Farm-to-Consumer Foundation (www.farmtoconsumerfoundation.org), works to promote consumer access to local, nutrient-dense food and support farmers engaged in sustainable farm stewardship. Contacts Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund Taaron G. Meikle, 703-537-8372 tgmeikle@aol.com or Cummings & Company LLC Brian Cummings, 214-295-7463 brian@cummingspr.com |
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if this is implemented part of the food supply is gonna get smaller and alot shittier....
big brother ... agenda21 |
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Legislated market share.
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Just one more step towards the planned population reduction.
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This is precisely what we have been saying all along. Some states have taken the initiative to opt out of NAIS, but -- as usual -- most have not. In fact, some states, such as Wisconsin and a few others -- have already made it mandatory, even though it is technically still optional.
We anti-NAIS folks have been banging this drum loudly for years, but nobody who can do anything about it listens, of course. They placate us and patronize us and pat us on our heads telling us that the USDA is concerned about protecting the food supply -- which is absolutely bogus. There is not one ounce of protection in NAIS -- instead, it is all about tracking back after the fact and the big ag lobby has them right where they want them. It will likely cause most of us to either go out of business or to go just one more step underground, rather than trying to comply. It will run the little guys like me out of business, as the requirements that we have to meet are actually greater than the requirements that the big ag conglomerates. They will be able to get a group ID for their animals � we little guys need to, for the most part, anyway � will need to identify them one by one. That said, Tech Guy and Ryedale � have you invested in RFID scanners yet for your family flocks? If you give one egg to one neighbor, you will need to comply. Also, if Mr. Fox eats one of your chickens, you need to report that to the USDA within 24 hours. Crazy, isn�t it? But�an interesting way to track who is growing food if you think about it. I will continue to keep you posted on upcoming 'listening sessions' in case you are able to attend one in your area. http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/aa/aa-21may2009.htm Quote:
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first they came for the cows, nobody said anything, then they came for the pigs, nobody said anything, then they came for the chickens, nobody said anything, then they came for you (rfid). mark of the beast nothing to eat.
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See you there! Gregg |
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<TABLE cellSpacing=5 width=353 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=HdrBlackBold>Myths and Facts</TD></TR><TR><TD class=BodyTextBlack noWrap colSpan=2>http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/...nt-divider.gif
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=BodyTextBlackBold>Myth: There are fines for producers who do not register in NAIS.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=BodyTextBlack>Fact: Participation in NAIS is voluntary at the Federal level. There are no Federal penalties or other "enforcement" mechanisms associated with the program. You will not be penalized by USDA at all if you choose not to participate in the program.</TD></TR><TR></TR><TR><TD class=BodyTextBlackBold>Myth: USDA wants to identify every animal in the United States, including pets, for NAIS.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=BodyTextBlack>Fact: The focus of NAIS is animal agriculture - livestock and/or poultry. Owners of the following species would benefit from and are encouraged to participate: cattle and bison; poultry; swine; sheep; goats; cervids (deer and elk); equines (horses, mules, donkeys, burros); and camelids (llamas and alpacas). Household pets (cats and dogs) are not included.</TD></TR><TR></TR><TR><TD class=BodyTextBlackBold>Myth: USDA wants to identify and track the movement of all livestock in the United States for NAIS.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=BodyTextBlack>Fact: Attempting to record all animals and movements is not practical, and that is not the intent with NAIS. Rather, the intent with NAIS is to prevent disease spread. The only animals recommended for identification are those that are moved from their premises to locations where they "commingle", or come into contact with, animals from multiple/other premises. Due to the nature of their movements, these animals may pose a significant risk of disease transmission or have a greater impact on the spread of a potential disease. Animals with a "lower-risk" of, or "lower-impact" on, disease spread are not the focus of NAIS. For example, the following situations are not applicable to NAIS: </TD></TR><TR><TD class=h1>
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These bills, dozens of them, scream one thing at you.
Get to know your local food producers. It's time to go backward in this regard folks. Do it now and avoid the rush. And it can , and should, be none of the goobermint's GD business. Cheapskate that I am, I will gladly spend a few extra frn's to buy food I know and believe in as opposed to stockpiling some extra bullion. If it comes in a pretty colored freakin' box, generally speaking, it's a scam, one way or ta other. Either because it's nutritionally vacuous, or because it's a corporate scam enriching marketers and distributors and packagers and marketers and shippers (and thereby fuel companies) and marketers and chemical companies (fuel again!) and store owners and marketers (did I mention the marketers?)(yeah I know i sound like a tin foil hattie), instead of farmers and raisers. The percentage of income that people spend on food has been going down for a long time. That is going to change. Take a weekend and visit a local sustainable operation. Believe it or not there are tons of them, and they are staging a comebackl (don't call it a comeback i been here for years!). "Personal Banker" cries the marketing headline. F 'em. Get to know your farmer and food producer, not your banker. People think nothing of waiting in line at banks. Waiting in line at movies. Waiting in lines for frivolities and bullshit. When there are lines at the local farm markets you'll be glad you're on the inside. |
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Chickens are not that hard to raise... I suggest that anyone who can deal with them, get a few. The city of Roswell, GA just made "pet" chickens legal within city limits and the more people who have 'em, the more of a cluckerfluck it'll be for the gooberment to try and keep up with them. :biggrin: |
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Anyone here that is worried about NAIS needs to start learning about contract law now. It is highly unlikely that the government can force you (unless you unwittingly agree) to put tracking chips in your animals as long as you know who you are and who you are not and arrange your affairs accordingly.
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RE: Facts and Myths about NAIS (posted by Ryedale)
FACT: Source of this info is the USDA, itself. Of course, they are not going to show the negative impact. They want it to happen. http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/...yths-color.pdf These facts are based on my personal knowledge of NAIS after working to fight it for the past two years. FACT: Participation IS voluntary at the federal level. The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is implementing a National Animal Identification System (NAIS), claiming authority under the Animal Health Protection Act of 2002. USDA�s primary method for implementing NAIS is through federal funding of state programs. Although USDA states that NAIS is �voluntary at the federal level,� it is using funds approved by Congress to pressure states to implement mandatory or coercive programs. In response to the public�s objections to NAIS, over the last two years, bills have been filed in 15 states to limit or completely halt NAIS. Several states have already implemented legislation to reject NAIS. Unfortunately, other states, such as Wisconsin and Indiana have implemented mandatory NAIS. RECOMMENDATION: Work hard on the state level to keep it out of your own state. Don�t even waste your time with your national government officials. They are not listening and they just refer you back to the USDA. If we are going to make a difference, it needs to be done at the grass roots level � in your statehouse, not on Capitol Hill. Good sources of reliable info: http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/nais.html http://www.ftcldf.org/nais.html Fact: The focus of NAIS is animal agriculture - livestock and/or poultry � and not pets. This is true. However, that does not mean someone who has a small flock of chickens or goats, etc. will be exempt. After all, those chicks or goat kids had to come from someplace � unless they were raised on your own farm from your own breeding stock. If NAIS is implemented in your state, you will become part of that identification chain, as the hatchery will have to report where they sent the day old chicks to and the farmer down the road will have to report that he sold you that milk goat. From the USDA website referenced at the beginning�the following are exempt. (My comments are in bold and based on the premise �if NAIS is implemented in your state��) � Livestock that never leave the premises of their birth, even if they move from pasture to pasture within that premises, do not need to be identified. Did you buy your day old chicks from a hatchery? If so, they will need to be identified and followed. Did you buy a milk goat from your neighbor down the road? It will need paperwork and an RFID chip. � Animals that never leave their premises other than when they "get out" � Animals that are only moved directly from their birth premises to custom slaughter (for personal use). If you are selling this meat, like I do, to folks at farmers� markets � they will need to be identified. � The participation of animals in local trail rides Unable to comment on this one. No personal knowledge. However, trail ride horses are probably not part of the food chain, so probably fine. � The movement of animals to small local parades or fairs "(Many local fairs and similar events may have their own animal identification requirements that are not affected by NAIS. You should check with animal health officials or event organizers for any such existing requirements.)" This is not necessarily true. I have family members in three states the Midwest who were required to produce proof of a registered NAIS premise ID in order to show at their local county fairs. When I told them that they could fight this, they said, �but they won�t let us show the animals if we don�t comply�. (They just think I am a militant, anyway � so they don�t always listen.) Anyway, they complied and � lo and behold � enough people put up resistance that they dropped that requirement. However, it is too late for the sheeple who already registered their premises because someone in charge told them to do so. They�re now in the database and regret the decision to comply. Again, if you have pet livestock who are born, die and never leave the place � you�re right. They will be exempt. However, the impact is not going to be on the pet people � it is going to be on the small, local producers for whom the implementation will be cost-prohibitive. What the USDA did not share in the facts and myths is that big industrial ag producers will be able to get a �lot ID� for large groups of cattle. Plus, corporate ag has the financial means and the lobbying power to back this up � not the little guy selling natural and locally grown foods at his or her local farmers� market who is typically operating on less than 80 acres. Every penny counts with the little guys. Fact: NAIS is being touted as a way to make the food supply safer. This is not true, as there is nothing about NAIS that deals with foods before they hit the food supply. It is all about tracking back after the fact � after the salmonella outbreak. It will not make it any safer than it did with the pistachios or the peanuts � and they weren�t even livestock. Also, you will find that none of these outbreaks to date have included pasture raised, locally grown products by small farmers. Our foods are not co-mingled with 1000 others before they hit your plate. If you buy meat from me, I can tell you exactly which animal it came from. If you buy eggs, I can show you the chicken and how she is living. No traceback is necessary. If you buy a burger in a store�good luck. You�re on your own. The best way to make sure that your food supply is safe is to take Momopanda�s advice and get to know your local growers. We love to meet people and to show you how and where your food has been grown. Build a personal relationship with your local farmer. You may pay a few $$ more for food, but you can be sure that you know who and how it was raised. In recent months, Obama has promised to �bolster food safety� with the creation of a Food Safety Working Group. I�m all for food safety. Heck, that�s why I grow my own food! However, I am not all for federal intervention in everything we do. All I can say about voluntary NAIS is it is not mandatory YET. My guess is that it will be akin to the 55 mile per hour speed limit. States won't have to require it -- but -- if a state doesn't, it can kiss its federal funding goodbye in that particular area. Again, to me...the key word is 'yet'. I�ll bet that five years ago most bankers or GM employees did not think that the federal government would own a stake of those industries. I have been actively fighting NAIS for the past two years and, while not a complete expert, I do have a pretty good working knowledge of the issue. While to me, the personal privacy and liberty aspect is appalling -- the sad part is that if implemented, I can just about assure you that your local farmers' markets will dry up because if it costs each of us a few thousand dollars a year to comply, we won't be able to afford to do it. |
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As an aside -- each time we jump through those hoops, we realize more and more what a farce many of them really are. Our food is no safer. In fact, if you would look at the way things are slaughtered in a USDA plant vs. a good, local farmer it is easy to see which one you would prefer to eat -- and it wouldn't be the one bearing the USDA seal, I can assure you. The local farmer/grower takes pride in his/her product and business flourishes or dies based upon the way they treat their customers and the way they raise their food. If my product was not good -- I would be out of business. They would take their business elsewhere. One more example of bureaucratic stupidity re: livestock: We live very close to our state line and when my kids were still young enough to be in 4-H and showing their animals, if we wanted to show at the fair that is only 6 miles from our house, we needed to jump through the hoops to get out of state health papers stamped by our state vet in addition to the veterinary inspection that our own state required. I actually drove to the state capital to the state Dept of Ag each year to get these papers stamped (as they were notorious for taking forever to get them back to you by mail) and when we went down there, I took all of the proper documentation and explained that our papers needed to be reviewed and stamped by the State Veterinarian. Silly me...I thought he would actually look at them. Instead, the receptionist pulled out a rubber stamp and stamped them (without looking at any of the documentation I was ready to provide) and sent us on our way. Others had the same experience and laughed when I told them how surprised I was at this the first time. Her stamping that paper without looking at it made it no safer for me to take my kids' animals across the state line -- just like putting an RFID chip in my goat is not going to make it any safer to eat. |
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The Social Security TIN is also 'voluntary'.... |
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I know what I'd do, though...and I think I'd 'remember' that they must have been born at my place from that old ewe we had forever who died of old age or was killed by a predator. I would think that it would be hard to make folks comply pre-implementation. For example, if you purchased hens from Craig's List -- you might have no clue who you got them from or how to track them down. I know I sound like a militant on this topic...but I guess it is because it is near and dear to my heart and has the ability to have a tremendous potential impact on the small, family business that we have been working to build over the years. |
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It won't let me comment at the online link you list. It says 'timed out' then switches me to a search function. Of course, it is June 1.
Any email method? I'm against it strongly since I greatly prefer local food and this is so clearly agribiz trying to tighten its death grip (literally) on Americans. The fascist biz model where the guns back the monopolies. Stinko! |
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http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/ Thanks for taking the time to do this! Every little bit helps. :grin: |
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I sent them a comment to confine it to large feedlots, where the problem lies, or drop it altogether and just stick with meat inspection. I said I got my grass fed beef from a small rancher for whom the costs would likely be business ending, with no food safety benefit at all since those animals never went to a feedlot. Then I piled on that an economic downturn was the worst possible time to add to the cost of food production.
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As fpr personal use. I would probably never raise chicks to sell if it became so effing ridiculous. Eggs either. I have 17 "pets" with feathers right now and I'd like to get a couple of goats soon. I think GA NAIS is still voluntary, but who knows where it will go. Ya know, I hated being subjected to whim of authority (including my parents) when I was in high school. I foolishly believed back then that one day as an adult, I would not have to answer to anyone except the taxman. Now not only am I afraid of the people in LE, but I feel like I'm back in HS again with all of the freaking rules and bullshit that keeps getting thrown at me. I'm beginning to think being a hermit wouldn't be so bad.... |
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You supposedly understand the "unwittingly" part of this which should be your focal point of what Thorgrim is pointing out, but yet write a paragraph or so on how you would go to the county fair and show off your livestock or produce just to show off? So you are "wittingly" ready to jump through the hoops just to show off at the couty fair? I must ask why are you even posting at all if you are not really going to do the homework to stay out of being "unwittingly". Who cares about pride or the ego because to do something about then is too late. Sounds like your ego overrides any common sense that might be screaming at you at a distance! The situation that coming to a head here is coming down to knowing if you are either all in or all out instead of fence riding. You cant have it both ways and an ego is a monkey on your back that cant be afforded. Sorry if I sound the way I do but I call it the way it is. |
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Actually, I have not unwittingly signed up for premise ID. Unfortunately, any hoops through which we have jumped to try to remain compliant and to be able to provide our products to the public have been done wittingly -- begrudgingly, but wittingly. My point was that several folks I know had unwittingly felt 'forced' to register for something that is still voluntary in their state -- despite advice from several of us that it was not a good idea (this was referenced in a previous post -- sorry for confusion). They were strong armed because they were told by someone 'in charge' that this is what they needed to do -- despite the fact that several of us told them it was a bad idea. They are rules followers. Good people who don't want to cause any trouble. No egos involved. In fact, most of these folks are as humble and modest as can be and just wanted to follow the rules. Farm folks don't take their animals to the fair to 'show off' -- they typically do it for one of two reasons. 1. Their kids are in 4-H or FFA and the county fair is the culmination of the child's hard work for the year. It is often as much a rural social event and rite of passage as anything else. Plus, if they have raised a market animal, they are able to sell it in the auction and use that money for college, etc. 2. For the adult livestock breeder it is a way to promote your livestock to other breeders and to help your business grow. If one does well on the show circuit, this can translate into increased sales or breeding fees in the years ahead. Again, sorry for the confusion. |
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This is already mandatory in Canada and it is being introduced in many other countries.
This is from the New Zealand government website: Will there be a transition process between the current and new systems? Yes. Implementation of the NAIT system is intended to be a staged process. The system will operate initially on a non-mandatory sign-up basis in order to bed down systems and processes until it is regulated in mid-2011. http://www.maf.govt.nz/mafnet/animal...nd-tracing.htm |
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In Australia, too...and it is interesting to read that a large part of the population (not just the farmers) are opposed to it.
I know you guys are probably getting sick of me yapping about this, :508:but if you're interested, there are a number of articles on the problems they are having in some of these other countries with the same types of programs. For now, though, unless someone is interested in reading about the problems in Australia re: their program, I'll do my best to hush (hard as that is for me) and to put my little soapbox away for a wee bit. |
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